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james G

Next time think before you post. I can't beleive people buy this political spindoctoring. Boxer was just making the point that neither her nor Rice pay much of a personal price for a mistaken war, because neither of them have children in the military. She was not making any kind of comment about women with no children. As anyone who has watched her senate hearings or Daily Show interviews knows, Boxer is certainly no anti-feminist.

From wikipedia:

"Boxer authored the Freedom of Choice Act of 2004 and participated in the floor fight for passage of the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act.

As a member of the House of Representatives, Boxer authored the original Violence Against Women Act. Later in 1994, she co-sponsored, and the Senate passed, the Violence Against Women Act, which provided reforms to the criminal justice system to better prosecute violent crimes against women, and provided federal funding to local law enforcement agencies for training and equipment necessary for prosecution. Boxer has also authored the Violence Against Children Act, based on the successful VAWA.

Boxer is an original cosponsor of the Title X Family Planning Services Act of 2005, S.844, by Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY). This legislation aims to reduce unintended pregnancies, reduce the number of abortions, and improve access to women's health care. It authorizes funding for family planning services grants; allows states to provide such services to individuals who may not be eligible for Medicaid; prohibits health insurance providers from excluding contraceptive services, drugs or devices from benefits; establishes a program to disseminate information on emergency contraception; requires hospitals receiving federal funding to offer emergency contraception to victims of sexual assault; provides grants to public and private entities to establish or expand teen pregnancy prevention programs; and requires that federally funded education programs about contraception be medically accurate and include information about health benefits and failure rates.

Boxer does not support restrictions on the availability of abortion, such as late term ("partial-birth") abortion procedures, and parental notification requirements."


Kind of odd to be so pro-choice while being anti-"childless women" or whatever weird charge you are trying to make against her.

SK

May be Condi is gay and is too afraid to come out and damage her conservative credentials. Any reference to starting a family may be too close for comfort. Of course, she did call Bush her "husband" once so may be she is bi? Just wondering...

nico

Spindoctoring is RIGHT! But like any good lawyer (or law maker)does for a living, when the facts aren't supportive (neither Condi nor W have any skin in this bloody "game" of Iraq), tell a good story ("Boxer inappropriately insults Rice").

mc

Barbara Boxer was right to question Condi on the issue of motherhood. If it weren't for mothers none of us would be here today.

Stunned

The false outrage over this is a very familiar tactic from the Bush administration. The evident goal is to find something, anything, to distract from the unpopular and ill-conceived escalation strategy.

Sport

I read the transcript and feel your interpretation is wide of the mark. Boxer, in an apparently wasted attempt to spread some empathy, said the loss of life or severe damage to the body of a beloved relative was of great and permanent importance. The feminist angle on her remarks reeks of going with what you wish she would have said, rather than what she actually did say.

Dan Chilcoat

Secretary Rice has neither honor nor success on her side. She has lied to the American public (and the world) and has failed as a National Security Advisor and as a diplomat. She will be a footnote in history as just another example of incompetance in the failed Bush administration. She continues to damage the United States of America by mindlessly repeating Rovian "talking points" which attempt to obsure the reality of failure rather than participating in productive dialogue.

Noah22

Way to go! Don't let the facts get in the way of your story.

Jim in Sai Gon

Californians have accepted the fact that Boxer is a sanctimonious, hypocritical jackass. Pity any Republican who would utter the same insults as Boxer did! They'd be run out of office. The Dems are back in power and are behaving like the brat hippies they have always been. Way to go, America!

Shirley

Babs Boxer made a fool of herself. So have the not-so-bright liberal whiners above who are rushing to her defense like lemmings to the sea by claiming that her vicious anti-feminist remarks to Condi were not what they plainly are.

Wesley Dumont

I love how any comment in the media between women - and in this case spun 180-degrees - becomes a 'great leap' in feminism.

Boxer's remark wasn't about feminism. It was about facts - neither one of them have kids in the war.

THIS JUST IN - CONDI RICE DOESN'T HAVE KIDS! CONDI RICE'S NON-EXISTENT KIDS ARE NOT GOING TO DIE IN THE IRAQ WAR!

It's so easy to be anti-feminist. All I had to do was state a fact.

Who's the idiot????

Ryan

Attention: the Intelligencia is made up of Liberals. The Democrats are not swayed by religious nonsense, nor are they motivated by political agendas. 90% of college professors are Democrat. Why is this? Because the smartest of us are liberal-minded.

The great thing about Condi not having any children: she won't have any offspring to infect the U.S. Government in 40 years. Darwinism at it's finest.

Ryan

Oh, and Shirely (as well as the owner of this crappy blog): 100 years of anti-woman legislation trumps any passing, off-handed remark said by a Senator from California.

You're choosing to ignore Republican doctrine: Down with women.

Ali

You made a comment about your position in your work overlooking the fact that you don't have children - perhaps you haven't noticed that NINETY-NINE PERCENT of jobs in this country could give a s**t about your family unless they get in the way of doing your job. This society we live in is geared toward people "unencumbered by children" - jobs don't offer insurance for families, don't provide any sort of child care and don't afford extra time off to care for illnesses or emergencies for children. Be happy that for now the world caters to you! Senator Boxer brought up a good point - how many rich folks up on the hill are sacrificing their children for this war? How many of these important decisions are being affected by the deciders' lives being directly involved? I'll trust the decisions Bush makes when he puts his daughters into the military; I can't say that much for Rice. Which is Boxer's point entirely. As an active feminist mom I have no problem with Boxer making the statements - she would have said the same damn thing if it was Ashcroft, Rumsfeld or even Colin Powell in front of her - the people who are keeping the war machine going have a responsibility to consider the people that will be dying there, as well as their families, and there's nothing sexist about having children.

David King

Boxer should shut up and concentrate on Rice's duplicity in the killing of over 3000 members of the armed service and the wounding of many others. She is a horrific human being who would sell her soul for power.

Tony V

All the apologists for Barbara Boxer here are hypocrites, what annoys me is that they think they're taking the high ground by doing it.

The "Hey you don't pay the price" and "why don't you rich folks send your kids to the war" arguments were used quite effectively by Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, and a laundry list of others, to stir you people up.

EVERYONE knew what Boxer meant, that's why this hasn't died. It wasn't a play on empathy, an attempt to find common ground, certainly not a way build a bipartisan bridge...IT WAS AN EMOTIONALLY CHARGED SWIPE AT RICE (AND THE PRESIDENT) TO FURTHER GRIPE ABOUT THE WAR. Will everyone just admit it?

The fact is, this garbage happens on both the left and the right, the only difference is, a majority of today's journalists justify the one, and mercilessly slam the other.

Can you imagine the ABSOLUTE FIRESTORM THAT WOULD ERUPT if Dennis Hastert had said THE EXACT SAME COMMENT to female secretary of state in the exact same situation?

Noah22

Tony, that's crap. No "firestorm" would have erupted if the roles were reversed. Why should a "firestorm" erupt when someone says neither one of us has family members fighting in the war? It's a fact not a slam.

I heard all day long yesterday conservative talk show hosts, commentators, and White House representatives talking about how Boxer said Rice isn't married and doesn't have children so she can't understand. When i finally saw the actual interchange I couldn't believe it. The only reason a firestorm erupted here was because certain people deliberately misrepresented what she said.

Tony V

Noah, come on, let's not be naive, you know how this works. "Facts" IN CONTEXT are used as swipes all the time. (eg. "George Bush comes from a rich family and 'served' in the National Guard during the Vietnam war" stated in the context of his fitness and moral compass when making decisions to send "our sons and daughters" into combat).

While I don't believe Boxer is anti-woman, she was using "the fact" as a personal attack to win political points, (and paint Rice with the "callous war-monger" paint brush) when she should have been just talking about issues. It was the same thing when John Kerry brought up the fact that Mary Cheney was a lesbian to win points presidential debate. (Although it was more to discredit them to conservatives, "the fact" was used as a swipe)

And Noah, if you don't think a white Republican saying the same thing would not get absolutely crucified by 90% of the media today, you're letting partisanship cloud your thinking. I mean Dick Cheney's hunting accident--a HUNTING ACCIDENT for crying out loud--was blown up into two-week wall-to-wall media character profile on the Machiavellian Secrecy of the Bush administration?

A majority of the media is liberal and these days, it's fashionable to wrap opinion up as news (on both sides mind you). It is what it is, but I don't have to like, and certainly, I don't have to swallow it or play along.

Stunned

Tony V,

Bringing up Mary C's alleged lesbianism in your post was gratuitous and outrageous.

Just kidding. I just wanted to see how it feels to pretend to find this kind of thing offensive.

Susie

Ha ha ha-- I think the funniest thing about reading these posts is that "Ryan" thinks that college professors are college professors because they are "smart minded".

Playin Possum

You are a bunch of damned hypocrites, IMO... If you really follow politics, you realize men are routinely passed over for not being "family men." It's true in industry, it's true in politics. Sure, queers like Mark Foley get a pass... But most men need the whole family / church / right school shtick as well as connections to get to where Rice is...

Furthermore, she's an incompetent boob. Her tenure in White House positions has been a disaster. Again IMO, Rice gets a pass on justifiable criticism because 1) she's black and 2) she's a she. In a single yardstick environment, she would be a laughingstock.

labeau

Funny how liberals who hate someone alway throw out the "gay" card.
Ever met a liberal, the most bitter non-giving, do nothing bunch of boobs you'll ever met.
Remember halfbright toasting the little dictator, while he build bombs.
The clintion's killed more a american people then any president in history,, , waco, ruby ridge, all led to tim mcveigh okie bombing.
Nice one liberals.
Good to see you crawled out from under your beds.
bunch of punk-ass cowards.

Barbay

It was an invalidating remark.

The people who are qualified to tell you this, are the ones who (as myself) are unable to have a child, and also lost a family member in Iraq...

One should not have to resort to reducing the value of another's participation, just to make their point.

These were the same tactics used, when we fought so hard for the ability to vote...
-Good post.

Alex Williams

I have trouble understanding why someone like yourself feels qualified or important enough to have a blog. Your reaction is so knee jerk, and by the talking points. The advantage of blogs is that you can cut through the talking points and spin, not reiterate them. If you want to talk about setting feminism back a few years, I would evaluate what you are you doing before attacking someone like Barbara Boxer, an icon in the realm of women's rights and feminism. This news story is manufactured on so many levels. For starters, it was Laura Bush who recently made the marriage status of Sec. Rice an issue, saying in a recent interview with People magazine: “Dr. Rice, who I think would be a really good candidate, is not interested. Probably because she is single, her parents are no longer living, she’s an only child. You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job.”

You have to do your homework, otherwise your blog is nothing more than a speaker for the talking heads.

Alex

Les

As Barbara Boxer railed on Condi Rice,Secretary Of State, for not having kids and therefore being unable to relate to the loss of a loved one....she forgot to mention these childless women!

Baroness White, Former UK Labour Government Minister


Sally Ride, First American Female Astronaut


Judith Resnick, Astronaut


Janet Reno, Former U.S. Attorney-General


Jeanette Rankin, 1st Female US Representative


Florence Nightingale, Nurse


Queen Liliuokalani, Queen of Hawaii


Joan of Arc, Christian Saint


Patricia Ireland, President of the National Organization for Women/ NOW


Emma Goldman, Activist, Feminist


Elizabeth I, Queen of England


Maureen Dowd, Columnist


Elizabeth Dole, Reagan's Secretary of Transportation


Charlotte Curtis, First woman on the masthead of The New York Times


Helen Clark, New Zealand Prime Minister


Helen Gurley Brown, Feminist, Editor


Susan B. Anthony, Womans' Suffragist


Rosa Parks,activist.

Julie

Which is more antifemenist?

1. A woman, in her professional capacity, questions another woman about her professional decisions. In that exchange the first reminds the second that these decisions are perhaps colored by the fact that one's immediate family is not impacted.

OR

2. A woman, on her blog, claims the first woman in the above example, has single-handedly set back the gender equality movement. And in the process, she smears an entire political party by falsely accusing them of dismissing any non-breeding woman's abilities, talents and accomplishments.

Shame on you.

txgirl

What unrelenting hogwash.

How you idiotic rightwingers hear "childless" and "unmarried" in the phrase "no immediate family" is a good question for a psychiatrist.

Apparently such people think the phrase "immediate family" only refers to children and spouses, not brothers, sisters, fathers, or mothers.

Maybe only those people who have actual immediate family members serving in Iraq (like me) can hear the difference.

What's truly shocking is Rice's answer to Boxer's ACTUAL QUESTION: the White House has no estimate, if Rice is telling the truth, on the casualty rate they expect with this escalation, how many more American soliders they expect to die or become permanently disabled in this "new way forward". Oh, goody, yet another consequence of war that they have forgotten to plan for.

Way to go, Republicans. Once again, you have missed the forest for the trees, wallowing in your righteous "outrage" while American military families continue to quietly bear the cost in family blood.

Yeah, that's really supporting the troops.

joe

It is sad that the liberals are talking in such a language that is foreign to them, Serving in the military.

joe

It is sad that the liberals are talking in such a language that is foreign to them, Serving in the military.

Alex Williams

To Playing Possum,
"Clinton has killed more people than any other president in history." Out of what region of your backside did you find that nugget of wisdom? That is such a ridiculous and ludicrous remark that I am kicking myself for even responding to you. However, I then saw that you had your own blog and felt compelled to make sure that you were either kidding, or just some ten year old who got a hold of mommy's computer. Conservative estimates of how many INNOCENT civilians(not insurgents, terrorists, or enemy combatants, but rather civilians) killed in Iraq top 100,000 while the average estimate falls closer to the 300,000-500,000 range. I'm just spitballing here, but I think that is a bit more than ruby ridge, waco, OK, haiti, kosovo, somalia combined. Do yourself a favor, change the channel from fox news, turn down the Rush limbaugh for a second, and use your f---ing brain!! And if you are going to attribute OK city clinton(his fault?) then you can tack another 2,000+ in the deaths under bush category, b/c that the WTC was attacked on his watch. Your blog describes itself as middle or the road...in comparison to what, Mussolini? Maybe if you say it enough people will start to believe it, that strategy kind of worked for fox news. I love politics but I despise uninformed loudmouths, whether they fall on the left (sandy sheehan) or the right (Hannity). I think that you fall into the uninformed right category. Oh yeah, as far as your final remark, "Good to see you crawled out from under your beds.
bunch of punk-ass cowards." I will debate you toe to toe until the cows come home. I'm no coward, and I am eager to feast on your ignorance.


Alex Williams

My apologies to playing possum, I matched you name with a post by labeau. Once again, sorry playing possum.

Ryan

At the risk of unleashing a shitstorm:

Does anybody know if Condi is a Lesbian?

Never heard anything either way (not that I truly care, either).

PJV

Boxer spoke the Truth. What she said is absolutely true.

In matters as serious as potential deaths resulting from war, since when is being careful not to step on someone's toes more important than the Truth?

You know, King Solomon's famous test shows that real mothers have something precious to protect in the form of their children, while women who are not mothers do not.

And to put it another way for the menfolk out there, it's called having a dog in the fight or not having a dog in the fight.

When it comes to having children about to be potentially maimed or die in a war, Condi Rice has neither a dog nor child in the fight.

And having her precious feelings hurt, is less than NOTHING compared to the unending pain of losing a child to war.

johnb

The reason so many liberals teach is "the people who can do... and those who can't teach" something like that.Also you all whine about the war and you know its funny the left always forget who is really to blame for the war in iraq. you know the fact sodomwhosinsane broke 17 u.n resolutions. all he had to do was comply with the U.N. provisions you know the ones that were imposed on him because you know invading kuwait. I served my country during dessert storm and my battalion was the next to go but it ended. Because of the u.n. was the little wimps they are we didnt take swartzkoffs advice and take him out then. its something also funny you leftys ignore the fact that china, france, russia all vetoed the u.n. going in as a whole. and then found out they had illegal deals for oil with iraq. your liberal news couldnt deny that . or that russia gave iraq sattelite intel on our troop movements.i was just a spc 4 when i served my country so am not qualified to give you arm chair general opinions like all you hippy-crits play yourselves off to be i know better than that and thats something your hippy professors do and thats why you do it . college professors intelligent? i definitely question that.

GEAH

The problem with what Boxer said is that it's her claim that people without children in a war are incapable of making decisions about that war...which is preposterous on the face of it.

johnb

also what about pelosi and other democrats in the last year and a half saying we DONT HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS IN IRAQ are now saying no to an increase in troops ? flippity floppity when are they gonna stoppity?

johnb

FLIPPITY FLOPPITY WHEN WILL DEMOCRATS GONNA STOP THE HIPPY-CRITTISY

Dan Hydar

Yikes! If you read the comments so far, not only is Dr Rice unqualified, due to lack of offspring... she also is probably "gay"? Democrats seem to be set on bludgeoning feminism on a marble ceiling...

johnb

Funny isnt it only democraps make good DR.'s in their studies .

Satrianii

Rice serves her country, not her sex. That's the difference between her and the demagoguing feminists - like Nancy Pelosi - who focus on their sex as if that proves something. Condoleeza Rice is a true American asset, not a mediocre product of the media machine like Pelosi, Boxer, et al are.

johnb

I NOTICE LIBERALS CRY BE OPEN MINDED BUT ...... for the people by the people attitude ..... their so called gate keepers (the morons a.k.a. professors of higher learning) to their understanding only have the key to the world , you know their professors , dont really want them to be open minded . Because when some one with a conservative view gets invited to their open campus they dont sit and listen the jump and cry . ha ha ha these so called great minds ( the professors are right from the book 1984 or nine-teen eighty-four . you know what they say "ITS OKAY TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND BUT NOT TOO MUCH BECAUSE YOUR BRAIN WILL FALL OUT " in other words so called great thinkers of the world get a life ... a real life.

johnb

ITS OKAY TO KEEP YOUR EYE ON YOUR GOVERNMENT ( I SAY EYE AND NOT EYES BECAUSE WITH ONE EYE LIKE YOUR SIGHTING SOMETHING .... ITS MORE FOCUSED ... YOU STILL NEED PERIPHERAL VISION BECAUSE EVEN IF ITS OUT OF FOCUS ... LITTLE THINGS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT).BUT JUST AS IMPORTANT YOU NEED TO CHECK AND RE-CHECK ALL THE FACTS THAT OTHERS ( DEMOCRAPS MORE SO) TELL YOU.

LizDexic

Way to miss the point, folks:

HOW MANY CASUALTIES DOES MS. RICE PREDICT FROM THIS SURGE?

A valid question that Ms Rice (appallingly) had no answer for.


irwest

Isn't it interesting how indignant everyone is about Senator Boxer's comments and no one raised an eyebrow when Laura Bush said the following during a People magazine interview last month. The implications in her remarks are more demeaning than anything said by Senator Boxer who spoke the truth:

PEOPLE: Nancy Pelosi shattered Congress's glass ceiling by becoming the first female Speaker of the House. Do you think there's anything a woman would do differently with the Presidency?

THE PRESIDENT: I think it depends on the individual, but there's no doubt in my mind a woman could do the job.

Mrs. Bush: I agree. But it isn't easy to live here. Dr. (Condoleezza) Rice, who I think would be a really good candidate, is not interested. Probably because she is single, her parents are no longer living, she's an only child. You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20004374_2,00.html

Midori

To joe and txgirl, who posted the exact same comments about liberals knowing nothing about serving in the military, here are the military records of some prominent Dems and Repubs for your perusal:

Prominent Democrats

* Jim Webb, Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from Virginia -- rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts. (1)
* Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. (1)
* Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
* Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
* Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
* Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service

* Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
* Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
* Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
* Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
* Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)

* Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
* Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
* Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
* Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)

* Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
* Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
* Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
* Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
* Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
* Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
* Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.

Prominent Republicans

* Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
* Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
* Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
* House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
* Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
* Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
* Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
* George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)
* Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.


* Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.

* GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
* VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
* Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

* Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)

* Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

* Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
* Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
* "B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments

* Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
* Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
* Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
* Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc.
* Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
* Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
* Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.

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Here are a few more...
Democrats

* Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam
* Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
* George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII.
* Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.)
* Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine)
* Former Presidential Nominee Mike Dukakis - United States Army, 1955-'57 (1)
* Former Senator/Vice Presidential nominee Lloyd Bentsen - B-24 pilot in WWII 1942-'45, Squadron Commander; earned Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters. (1)
* Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953
* Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA - Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress.

Lee

Mirori, you are forgetting the patron saint of the democratic party. Bill "the skirt chaser/didn't inhale" Clinton. But why wasn't that a problem?
Good research, but an other libral way of waisting time. The Libs have gone after DOCTOR RICE for everything they believe in: Freedom of Choice, being gay, being African/American. Are you just mad that she is not a libral or that she is able to know what is right?

Robert Gant

Condi is a Nice lady. There is no place for a woman dealing with muslims. The Bush administration has been a failure with a Woman as
Secretary of State. Condoleezza Rice has accomplished nothing but apeased terrorists, and violated Israel.
Women are emotional, Condi cannot relate to world leaders, Her as Secretary of State is a sham, a Joke, flying around the world wasting money, thinking she is making a difference. Our World has grown More Dangerous, and Its No Place for a Woman. Its a fact, Women are emotion, Men are Physical, Men can be more discerning to another man.
I am for equal rights for women, but not in the area of National security.

BenC

I'm with you. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers.

Longlegged Texas Girl

Now I know where all the idiot from the Yahoo boards have gone.

Still the same drivel from the Right.

DRH

"Now I know where all the idiot from the Yahoo boards have gone. Still the same drivel from the Right."

Hmm... soooo.... you think your contentless drivel is a shining example of non-idiocy?

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